tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post1926633944508762181..comments2023-10-08T16:32:25.031-04:00Comments on Exlcblog: New questions about Legionaries of ChristExlcbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15255210441204241907noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-50486915033395936312009-10-09T10:42:08.513-04:002009-10-09T10:42:08.513-04:00I wonder if the Pope would even have to suppress t...I wonder if the Pope would even have to suppress the Legion because my suspicion is that it has no juridical basis. Yes, constitutions were approved, but do we know what exactly the Vatican approved? We don't. I have reason to believe that Maciel didn't give the members the version approved by the Vatican, but another verison. If this is so, the vows of the members would be based on fraud and there would be no need to suppress it, becauseit is likely that what was approved doesn't even exist. Besides, it also seems to me that the General Chapters have been invalid because not convoked in accordance with the approved norms. If that is so, the Alvaro Corcuer's election would be invalid and that of all the appointments made by him, so that members would not be obliged to obey them because they would not be legitimate superiors. I am asking the Visitators to investigate this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-79439318249104865832009-08-15T13:42:54.567-04:002009-08-15T13:42:54.567-04:00Where did I say it is "intrinsically evil&quo...Where did I say it is "intrinsically evil"? <br /><br />"Sons obedient to God listen for his voice in the Voice of the Successor of St Peter" is just another cop-out, much like "our Constitutions are approved, so there!"<br /><br />The "Voice of Peter" is not ordering anyone to stay in their LC vocation. The priest will all be welcomed with open arms in a Catholic world short on priests. Bring new life to the Church!<br /><br />"Respect for Jesus Christ" is not thrown out the window by continuing the priesthood elsewhere from the Legion. It is just moved to a new venue.<br /><br />All your arguments scare me, I am worried for you. God blessed you with a conscience and an ability to reason, unless of course you have sacrificed both in the name of obedience to your LC vows. <br /><br />Of course healthy discernment is involved in the decision to leave! Please tell me you have been doing some discerning over the past 6 months? <br /><br />This "burning building" has been on fire for years. You can jump out the window, and risk a mere ankle break, but know you will survive. Or you can sit, and wait, and tell your fellow priests and RC members to wait and see, the fire department is going to put this fire out any time now.... <br /><br />I am scared for you and for all LCs I have known and care very much about. I know you are victims too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-299641987929454602009-08-15T09:36:53.504-04:002009-08-15T09:36:53.504-04:00For years we listened to the voice of John Paul II...For years we listened to the voice of John Paul II, and that voice was wrong. We gave the Legion our money, our time, our hearts, our sons and daughters and our very selves in part due to having listened to that voice and that voice was wrong. God give's us the intellegence to make our own decisions as well as having the opportunity for the guidance of the pope, infalible in matters of faith and morals only, as carefully defined. <br />Personally, I would much rather have been right without the pope back then, than wrong with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-22385115110379467732009-08-15T03:45:03.558-04:002009-08-15T03:45:03.558-04:00It is not obvious that the Legion of Christ is INT...It is not obvious that the Legion of Christ is INTRINSICALLY evil. If that were the case, the Pope could suppress it easily (at least in theory). Sons obedient to God listen for his voice in the Voice of the Successor of St Peter. Discernment is not just running out on what was a vocation -- it may still be a vocation to refound a new congregation. This is why real and faithful Legionaries who made vows earnestly will not simply cut and run. Respect for Jesus Christ trumps disgust with an earthly, not founder, but organizer of a "congregation". No, I hold it wrong to leave the Legionaries without careful discernment of WHY one leaves, and where one will go.<br />You offer poor counsel. It may apply to running out of a burning building, but not to a vocation or life commitment. Much wiser is to wait till October and November to see and hear the determinations made for the Legion by the Pope. The the Legionary has solid elements for starting to make a determination on his life. I respect the Legionaries that have left before, of course, supposing they left for other reasons independent of the trauma the Legion is passing through right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-59920578286239386962009-08-14T23:06:40.767-04:002009-08-14T23:06:40.767-04:00To anonymous who began "why so cynical?"...To anonymous who began "why so cynical?" - Yes, it is possible there are suffering LCs who know Maciel was deceitful, and who are victims of his deceit. What are they waiting for? They need to pack up their toothbrush and their conscience and leave the Legion. They should go find a place where they can live their vocation in the true dignity of the priesthood, and not under the cloud of scandal. <br /><br />People like me (now an Ex-RC) need to see these good holy men leave. If these good holy priests truly trust God's will for their lives, they know He will not abandon them if they leave a blighted Legion to go to a priestly vocation outside of the Legion! Do they trust God's will?<br /><br />I am sad for them, but they are priests! Do they know truth or don't they? If not, then yes, they should wallow in the paralysis of playing it "safe", and sticking with the Legion. <br /><br />I would like to remind some of these priests - it is because of you that I was drawn in to this thing. You vouched for it! You told me it was good! How is it that I am so well-formed from your good influence, yet YOU cannot find YOUR way out? <br /><br />If one of you walks, that will give courage to others to walk too. Walk! Trust God!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-11021275042150853792009-08-14T17:32:38.192-04:002009-08-14T17:32:38.192-04:00I thought it was funny -- of course I remember Fr....I thought it was funny -- of course I remember Fr. Scarafoni's original comment, so the context was apparent.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912627735649593985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-30816160281162004052009-08-14T16:47:12.949-04:002009-08-14T16:47:12.949-04:00reiterating, it was NOT Fr Paolo writing here. I w...reiterating, it was NOT Fr Paolo writing here. I was making a (not funny) joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-44543329198109370352009-08-14T16:35:07.901-04:002009-08-14T16:35:07.901-04:00Why so cynical? Do you think every last Legionary ...Why so cynical? Do you think every last Legionary approves of MM's perverseness? Only a devil or a halfwit would not concur with the justice of compensating the victims, insofar as that is possible. I don't think Fr Paolo is so wicked he would not concur. It's quite possible that he is a good man, like many others, that were used by Maciel. Probably he is another victim of MM's deceits. Among the injured, a fair person has to include the good LCs themselves, who were taken for a ride, and worked their backs to breaking raising funds so that this pederast could go through the money so shamelessly. Now what are they to do? They invested the best part of their lives for the running of a whore house, and it is not (most of)their fault. Only a few are the con artists, specially trained and nurtured by MM. I guess it has to hit closer to home to understand what this means for many of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-86505172085500495252009-08-14T16:32:04.893-04:002009-08-14T16:32:04.893-04:00Fr Scarafoni you are made of ice, it is obvious t...Fr Scarafoni you are made of ice, it is obvious that your formation has completely disabled you from seeing just how much damage and scandal your founder has done to the Church and to the papacy of JPII. In addition, how would you know just how much pain and damage MM has caused his victims, including his children? You are tragically blinded by your formation and your comments and causing further untold scandal!astridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06482994326599056046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-63015024564261708772009-08-14T16:21:50.282-04:002009-08-14T16:21:50.282-04:00It was a joke. That was what Fr Paolo, spokesman f...It was a joke. That was what Fr Paolo, spokesman for the Legion in Rome, said when he was asked whether they would provide care for the original victims. Obviously it wasn't Fr Paolo responding here, don't get your panties in a wad. It was just the biggest dumbass statement I could think of in this whole stinking mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-6375983327328971282009-08-14T14:41:57.083-04:002009-08-14T14:41:57.083-04:00Just because time has passed? or do you think that...Just because time has passed? or do you think that money is the only care that people need? or do you know that Maciel was especially generous with his love to his children?<br /><br />Is there a real possibility that Maciel sexually abused his own children? If so, is there anything that can even come close to "adequate" care?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-26461096864265376882009-08-14T14:37:37.920-04:002009-08-14T14:37:37.920-04:00I concur.I concur.Fr Paolo Scarafoni, LCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-9133280687768763932009-08-14T14:33:55.717-04:002009-08-14T14:33:55.717-04:00Oh really?Oh really?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498854344598192644.post-74522165627736462009-08-14T11:18:36.213-04:002009-08-14T11:18:36.213-04:00They have surely found a way by now to receive ade...They have surely found a way by now to receive adequate care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com